post from
anarchy, under the bed, and analog1/livejournal
sorry i did not have time 2 make it look nicer or make more sense...i am trying
2 get this anagram up since i keep putting it off since it keeps growing larger
every day. i have been really slacking on a lot of things, i'm sure you've
noticed...but such is life...
having lots of heated discussions in anarchy..some of them quite junior high.
and the election! oy! and me getting the flu and then it has not been sunny
here at all for over a week now. just grey grey grey days that seem like night.
i need some solar power to rev me up again! everything is in a dissarray and
i am ridiculous unorganized and spaced out or deep in thought about a zillion
weird things having to do with psychology, communication, and interdimensions.
i want 2 take some yoga and tai chi lessons. so much 2 do. bills being unpaid.
house going 2 hell. and my body, too. a couple of my medications were making
me gain weight and bloat out. but now i'm trying some others. adjusting adjusting.
i don't even recognize my own body anymore. i'm used to weighing 95-97, and
now i weigh 120. how did that happen? i stopped stretching. i need to get
back to that. i need 2 figure out how much a cab would cost to go back and
forth from my fave healthy food market. i need to move, dance, stretch , get
on a treadmill. i was making some headway for a few weeks last month...then
i slacked back. time to kick myself in the ass again and have some frickin
discipline. i swear i will weigh at least 100 by the time the real millenium
says hello.i want 2 write more , read more, WATCH MORE MOVIES!i want 2 live
each day more 2 the fullest. i want 2 eat sushi everyday. i need 2 find a
way 2 make money 2 buy a house. i will fight this entropy and zap myself back.
my body is making me the most depressed. i don't dress uo anymore. i don't
put on make up. partly because i don't fit into all my clothes like i used
to. i ignore the cam because of it. i wish i had more of a warrior spirit
to just play with this new shape. but dammit, i just don't feel "right".
i'm embarrassed. my fcae is bloated and broken out. make up doesn't look as
good on me as it used to. i wish i could look healthy and vibrant like catherine
hepburn did and catherine deneuve.my my my.
i want 2 make films. i want 2 learn flash! i want 2 feel like not hiding my
body under big sweat shirts. i never thought i could get this way. but i learn
new things each year. i'll make it through this. i'm passed the crisis stage.
i'm not trying 2 wallow, i'm just trying 2 show u way i haven't been doing
more cam things. and my mobile cam has been down so long. it's needs a new
wireless modem. i miss taking the cam out with me...probably why i turned
to polaroids.
oh i have so many polaroids to scan and show u! and i have so many stories
2 tell u about little advetures i've had!
Posted by ANA on November 10, 2000 at 18:40:58:
In Reply to: Re: Ana You asked for it! posted by Justin Zellers on November 08, 2000 at 21:40:19:
only "normal"
females are not harassed or attacked?
u are NOT living in reality.
maybe u should volunteer rape crisis center 2 get a better idea about how
the other half live.
Posted by ANA on November 10, 2000 at 18:50:58:
In Reply to: Re: You asked for it! posted by JZ on November 09, 2000 at 05:32:18:
ohmigod.
it was one of my performance art pieces as a retaliation of so many men demanding
to see my pussy. so i had a "all pussy all day" piece. :)
thya wanted pussy, they got pussy.
also it brings up the question as to why our society ccannot get enough of violent movies/tv/news...but when ONE teaspoon of blood is shed in a nonviolent way. it's SICK!
hmmm.
it raises a lot of issues!
Posted by ANA on November 10, 2000 at 11:08:34:
thanks for
the get well wishes :)
i am feeling a heck of lot better today but not 100%.
i still feel weak and slightly dizzy. i ate a yogurt and i'm drinking ginger
ale. hopefully by tonight i'll be all recovered :)
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 21:28:31:
In Reply to: Re: Sit to pee! posted by freekee on November 11, 2000 at 16:15:45:
u know there
are ways to pee standing up to not make a mess nor touch the bowl.
face in the direction u would face as if sitting down..but down't sit down..crouch
over it.
builds up your leg muscles too!
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 21:25:05:
In Reply to: also posted by freekee on November 11, 2000 at 20:19:55:
no, no post
is kept on here because we like it over the others. it's just a standard "one
week only" life span for posts here.
i used to keep posts over in ana2's under the bed around longer than a week
if i thought that the conversation had not come to its end...but because so
many people were offended by that...i now use the one week standard over there
, too
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 23:08:05:
In Reply to: I am arrrgh too...NEED ???? ANSWERED PLEASE posted by mable on November 11, 2000 at 22:01:45:
well, with gore woman keep the rights over their bodies but will pay more in taxes...and if bush wins, we get taxed less but give up control over our uterus' in the name of the LORD! yee haw! what a deal!
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 15:15:39:
In Reply to: nobody is saying what this situations really about posted by acedia on November 11, 2000 at 15:03:53:
i agree. and to call that the reason that the ballots were so confusing was only because the of those STUPID elderly. like EVERYONE in that place is elderly! and even more SO WHAT? why are we so quick to laugh it off and think it's no big deal to mistreat the elderly like that?
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 19:46:41:
In Reply to: Re: nobody is saying what this situations really about posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 15:28:44:
oh ya...and
a lot of homeless are vietnam vets.
how quickly we forget.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 19:42:47:
In Reply to: Re: nobody is saying what this situations really about posted by Justin Zellers on November 11, 2000 at 19:08:49:
i found it in alt.fan.jennicam...the same place that started the rumour that i hate all men just because i said that someone said that for 1,000 bucks i should be prepared to bend over, and then another guy said i should appear at his doorstep naked and in leather boots so i can clean his entire house like that.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 15:28:44:
In Reply to: Re: nobody is saying what this situations really about posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 15:15:39:
here is an example of prejudice against women, jews, homeless and elderly from alt.fan.jennicam:
"
In article <821557a5476ac398e1de54e039973e24@noisebox.remailer.org>,
Anonymous wrote:
>>All I saw was elderly Jewish women kvetching, in a mob even...
>>appartently all their husbands had gone on to their rewards, or didn't
>>want to be seen on TV with them.
>>
>>"We think we might have punched the Buchanan hole by mistake.
Maybe.
>>Look at this ballot, will you, and how many votes he got!"
>>
>>Gimme a BREAK! How does a judge or election commission address "might
>>have?" If you can't punch the right hole, maybe you shouldn't
be
>>voting.
>
>They should have to pass a literacy test before they are allowed to vote.
>And they should have to pay a "poll tax" too.
>
>>If there's a revote, and it looks like there will be, the Democrats
will
>>be yanking them out of nursing homes and hostpitals, holding their
poor
>>feeble hands, punching...."
>
>Damn straight. Old fuckers shouldn't be allowed to vote. What have they
>done for us LATELY? I hope that when President Bush takes office he
>cuts off their social security and gives it all to the young people of
this
>country to invest in the stock market.
>
>Those old fuckers are nothing but a drain on this country.
>
>We should cut off their medical benefits, let them eat dog food, and
>hope they die real soon.
-----
Subject: Re: Drunken bums unable to vote! Boo-hoo!
n article <821557a5476ac398e1de54e039973e24@noisebox.remailer.org>,
Anonymous wrote:
> >One
side is that the dems were rounding up homeless people and taking
> >them to the polls.
>
> Why are homeless people being allowed to vote? They don't own land.
> They aren't paying rent. How can their votes be counted if they don't
> have an address? How do we know they aren't voting twice or three times?
>
> They aren't paying taxes anyway. Why should they be allowed to vote?
> The are criminals because their are breaking the vagrancy laws, so they
> shouldn't be allowed to vote. They should have arrested all of them
> and held them in jail until the polls closed. Then they could have
> released them to sleep on the streets.
>
> That's what I hate about the Democrats. They will use anything to steal
> an election.
>
>
> >The other side is what seems more likely, esp. based
> >on the interviews with voters that I've seen on tv: that the polling
> >places in St. Louis had record turnouts and many of them showed up
> >after work, making the lines long. A judge ruled that the polls could
> >remain open until ten pm because of the heavy turnout. Attorneys
for
> >Bush/Cheney rushed into an appeals court and got that overturned,
and
> >the polls closed down at 7:30 or 8. The local news stations interviewed
> >numerous people who said "I wanted to vote, but the lines were
long and
> >I was turned away at the door."
>
> Tough shit. If you don't make it to the voting booth by the time the
> polls close, you shouldn't get "extra time". You had all day
to vote.
> If you show up too late, who's fault is that? Slackers get what slackers
> deserve.
>
> This is America. We pride ourselves on our hard work. People who show
> up late aren't real Americans and don't deserve a piece of the pie.
>
> Fuck them. Four years of a real Republican administration will teach
> them a lesson. Next election maybe they'll get their dirty, filthy
> alcohol covered bodies out of their cardboard boxes on time to vote."
Posted by Cindy Lou Who - spider-wg012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.22) on November 11, 2000 at 18:07:22:
Who's hair would you not even spit on if it were on fire?
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 19:53:02:
In Reply to: Dinnertime Poll Topic posted by Cindy Lou Who on November 11, 2000 at 18:07:22:
ted nugent
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 23:05:00:
In Reply to: Re: Dinnertime Poll Topic posted by Chris on November 11, 2000 at 22:24:35:
because he is an asshole who deserves to be shot with a bow and arrow and his head mounted to a wall (for starters)?
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 23:42:16:
In Reply to: Re: Dinnertime Poll Topic posted by Chris on November 11, 2000 at 23:24:23:
u said dick
u said dick!!!
( in reference to the long post above :)
well, he kills animals because he ENJOYS it and thinks this is macho. yes, his family eats it and all that..but he hangs the heads on his wall in a macho presentation of how he "kicks ass" over the animals , like deer ( ooo, HOW impressive! )
he is a sexist
asshole, that should be apparent.
he is such a conservative republican that even conservative republicans don't
want to be associated with him ( not that i wouldn't spit on his hair to put
out a fire just for that but it doesn't put any pluses in my book )
he PRIDES himself on his obnoxiousness
he is in bands that use the confederate flag as something to have PRIDE in
i could go on , but i'm getting tired from all this heated debate tonight..i
think u get the general jist ( i hope )
Posted by Justin Zellers - spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72) on
November 11, 2000 at 19:47:20:
Hey Ana (and whoever else would care to comment):
I am very disturbed by all of the violence that children, young adults, and even adults are exposed to in today's feature films and television shows. One thing that has really bothered me since I was a small child is all of the groin shots that seem to pop up in just about every movie made since the 80's. I don't konw if you have noticed, but boys and men getting kicked (or hit in some other way) in the crotch is soooo common today, that many children and young adults feel that it is actually humorous, acceptable behavior in real life. I can remember crying every time I saw that happen in a movie as a child, and I still cry when I see it today. It really bothers me that people feel that it is something to laugh at and use as cheap comedy. Growing up, I witnessed numberous instances where girls kicked boys in the crotch just because they were "bothering them" or because they thought it would be funny. I was kicked there in 2nd grade for no apparent reason by a girl, and I have been seeing a counselor and been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress symptom due to that situation (thank God for prozac). I just find it upsetting that girls will never have to deal with this pain and they have no idea what it feels like, so they just think it is funny, which it's not. It can be very serious, causing a boy to lose the ability to have children, need to have one or both of his testicles removed, and various other hardships. If it is a situation where physical abuse, rape or something to that nature is a definate threat, then I am not totally against doing this, but I am saddened to see just how often this occurs these days. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on this subject, but remember that it is a very sensitive topic with me...Here is an article I found in the Journal of the American Medical Association:
Kick in pants exposes boys to groin pains
Two in 10 boys has been kicked in the groin by another kid, often a girl, a study shows.
While the groin kick is a favorite of Hollywood, researchers say it's no laughing matter. It causes physical and emotional injury.
"Because of the intensity of the pain involved in this kind of act, you can imagine how it may give a child a lot of concern," says David Finkelhor, Family Research Laboratory, University of New Hampshire, Durham. "The medical community and educators need to know there may be injuries that need attention and children who need reassurance."
Finkelhor and colleague Janis Wolak phone surveyed 1,042 boys and 1,024 girls ages 10 to 16 and did a follow-up survey a year later. Findings in today's Journal of the American Medical Association:
Most cases occurred in seventh- and eighth-grades, when children enter puberty and are preoccupied with their genitals.
Boys with a physical limitation, usually eyeglasses or asthma, were three times more likely than other boys to get kicked in the groin.
59% of assaults were by girls who said they were being harassed or teased. The others were usually committed by bullies as pranks or by gangs in fights.
Most boys did not tell an adult about the assualt. But 35% were injured. A year later 28% had signs of depression and 15% had post-traumatic stress symptoms.
Says Finkelhor: "When I was growing up, you never hit below the belt. But today it appears in many movies - either as humor, as in Dumb and Dumber, or as a heroic thing where the beleaguered good guy turns the tables on the evil guy."
Kids are probably getting the message that it's "OK to do this either as a joke or to get even with someone," he says.
ANOTHER ARTICLE ON THE TOPIC:
How is penile penetration of a woman's vagina against her will a worse crime than bludgeoning a man's testicles? In the rape of a woman, is the biological foundation of her sexual identity -- her ovaries -- much at risk? The harsh fact is, a woman could be raped every day of her life and her ovaries might never be at risk. But it should be obvious the biological foundation of a man's sexual identity -- his testicles -- are at risk should you strike him there.
Every woman who ever kicked a man's testicles would likely say, "He had it coming." How many convicted rapists have made the same excuse? "She had it coming." There is no difference, and every woman who has ever kicked a man's testicles is guilty of rape.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 20:29:14:
In Reply to: Ana... posted by Justin Zellers on November 11, 2000 at 19:47:20:
EVERY woman who has EVER kicked a man in the groin is guilty of rape? EVERY SINGLE ONE?
i wish that u would stop overgeneralizing while trying to make a point...as it comes off as very offensive.
sexual harrassment is also up in schools at an alarming rate. as in boys to women.
also rapists DO say "she had it coming" , they say " she was asking for it" and this statement has actually stood up as a good enough reason for most of history..and still does today...
saying that raping a women repeatedly is not as harmful as one kick to a man's groin is bullshit. don't even go there with me.
do i think
that a kick to a man's groin is funny?
no i don't.
i don't like a lot of cartoons for the same reason.
i don't like the three stooges or laurel and hardy either...who beat the crap
out of each other. written by men.
see how many men LIKE the three stooges or laurel and hardy as opposed to
women.
i don't even like the carton roadrunner or even bugs bunny. i don't like porky pig that is ridiculed for his stutter. i don't like all that FAT people jokes that are always fair game.
i don't like people making fun of gay people all the time.
i don't like how there are so many movies that are all about cutting up a
young sexy woman. what the fuck is the deal with that?
i don't like any gore movies for that matter.
look, i am not your enemy here. by arguing with me that violence is bad. I AGREE!
but of all your films where a man is punched in the nuts...find out how many of those scripts were written by MEN!
all in all, i would say that perecentage wise it's MEN who think violence is funny and entertaining.
and btw, a woman CAN be raped ONCE and get barren because of it.
so you've been kicked in the nuts once by a girl...and i am sorry for that. maybe that i syour reason behind the whole men's rights thing for u. i can understand that if no one was empathetic to that 2 u.
but u are really coming after the wrong people here. MOST women are NOT apt to just come up 2 u and kick u in the balls unless u are a serious threat 2 her. so, i doubt that will ever happen to u again ( unless u are in a roomful of women and u start preaching that rape to a woman is far less harmful than getting kicked in the balls )
the closest thing a man could feel to get raped is to be raped in his ass. which still isn't the same thing because to many women ( and i think this is just awful that is is this way )..is that her virginity is stolen, or she will now be considered a whore and have no worth whatsoever and in many places she will be shot if this is so because it is shameful to the family.
tell me a
place in the world where this is so for the man. tell me of a place in the
world where the world will shun u and u are not fit to married EVER if u get
kicked in the ball's?
tell me a place where your own family will seek you out and kill u if this
happens to u?
not to mention
it's not as bad in society's eyes a bit because a mna can be hurt there be
accident...practically "asking for it" ( football..our countries
most celebrated load of crap ever )
tell me what act a woman could do where she could go "oops, i was playing
a fun game that america loves and pays me milions of dollars for and i accidentally
got raped by the football!"
if men see their balls getting hurt as an act of rape. WHY do men play so much damn football? the money? well,m they must be whore then!
( i am just trying to show u the irony here )
i would also bet that men kick men in the ball's even MORE than women do. i'd like ot see a study on that.
i am not saying it's funny nor should be ignored...i'm just telling u that u are really barking up the wrong tree here.
why don't
we start with why so many people think the three stooges are funny...and most
of them are men?
or how about boxing?
ya, there's a sport that many women watch as opposed to men and cheer on and
make bets on.
you'll find that most women are like "what the fuck is the deal with
boxing and WHY is that fun to watch???
i said MOST women not ALL women
isn't one of the oldest jokes about how women cannot peel men away from the tv when football is on?
i am not saying all men watch football...i am saying that it has been a long standing joke
also, a woman is raped ever 6 seconds...and that's only the ones that are REPORTED
but yes, i agree that a man getting hit in the balls is not funny. i have never found violence funny. not even when it's an accident...like ye olde slipping on a banana peel. or people slipping on ice
Posted by Justin Zellers - spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72) on
November 11, 2000 at 20:39:39:
In Reply to: Re: Ana... posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 20:29:14:
Ana, I'm sorry I included the rape thing. That just set you off in the wrong way and I'm sorry for that. But just one thing, why do you insist on using slang terms instead of being polite about it? Saying "hit in the nuts" and "kicked in the balls" is offensive to me, and I think you know this. I'm sorry I brought this up. :*(
- JZ :(
Posted by ANA` on November 11, 2000 at 21:04:30:
In Reply to: Re: Ana... posted by Justin Zellers on November 11, 2000 at 20:39:39:
no, i did not know this, as u didn't tell me that until just now. just as i do not take offense at the term "pussy" for my vagina. but i don't like cunt.
what term would you like me to use? and i will use that one.
Posted by JZ - spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72) on November 11, 2000 at 21:15:17:
In Reply to: Re: Ana... posted by ANA` on November 11, 2000 at 21:04:30:
Testicles is the term I prefer. I like the real names for sexual organs. But this brings up another point... Why is it okay for everybody and their brother to say "dick" all the time in a variety of different contexts and not okay for anybody to say "cunt" in any case? They are the equivalent of each other, male=female dirty slang. I've always wondered about this. I do not use any of these terms, so don't think I am encouraging the use of any of these words.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 21:21:44:
In Reply to: Re: Ana... posted by JZ on November 11, 2000 at 21:15:17:
maybe it's because there are still millions of people who's legal names are "dick" , whereas no ones legal name is "cunt" ( not that i know of anyway )
some people are going to get offended over some words and others are not. whereas i use pussy, some women would find that gross. ah there was that woman in the james bond film, too..pussy galore?
and their
still is the cartoon, dick tracy
one of my best friend's names is dick, and i hate to call him by that name
as much as it is his name! i'd prefer to call him richard, but he prefers
dick! go figure!
Posted by White Boy - cc307280-a.aboite1.in.home.com (24.22.42.22) on November
11, 2000 at 22:25:45:
In Reply to: Re: Ana... posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 21:21:44:
Uhh...so their name is Dick, big deal. If a penis' name is Dick, then it would be the same thing. But it is not, either way it is a slang term for penis. If I am talking about a penis, and I refer to it as a dick, then I am obviously not referring to my next door neighbor.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 22:50:46:
In Reply to: Re: Ana... posted by White Boy on November 11, 2000 at 22:25:45:
oh is that
why many men name their penises?
so that we won't call it dick?
bada bing bada boom!
( sorry , i had to take a go at that one, being that i am an ardent man-hater(sarcasm/joking all in good fun y'know. nudge nudge wink wink(TM), u walked right into that one :)
ok, sorry
not funny , i know :/
i will go sit in the sorry corner now :)
i agree that people should not call people dick ( unless it's their name )i do try very very hard not to call people dick ( unless it's their name ) in a deragatory fashion.
still yelling out in traffic "you fucking cunt!" doesn't have that same "oomph power" as saying "you fucking dick!", does it?
i wonder why that is?
i know a lot of men who use the term dick for their mr.happy, just as i know a lot of women use the word cunt for that bitch that was such a cunt.
still YES
OH YES I SEE YOUR POINT!!! AHHH! I SEE IT!!!!
shoulda just said that earlier, eh? :)
Posted by freekee - 2Cust63.tnt17.chi5.da.uu.net (63.22.176.191) on November 11, 2000 at 20:10:11:
In Reply to: Ana... posted by Justin Zellers on November 11, 2000 at 19:47:20:
I agree with most of what you said about the desensitization of violence towards the testicles, but DO NOT comopare it to rape. That is a TOTALLY different issue (except that men don't understand why it is so damaging).
Posted by JZ - spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72) on November 11, 2000 at 20:12:40:
In Reply to: Ooh, bad move JZ posted by freekee on November 11, 2000 at 20:10:11:
I didn't compare it to rape. That was just in an article. The rape thing was not part of my point...I guess I should have left that part out... It was just meant to stimulate ideas about the topic and how serious it should be taken.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 20:34:57:
In Reply to: Re: Ooh, bad move JZ posted by JZ on November 11, 2000 at 20:12:40:
oh, u are not getting out of it THAT easy. just as u are not getting out of siding with all those urls that u posted because u didn't write those pages..then conveniently go , " well, i don't agree with THAT part, *I* didn't write that!"
if u wanna show what YOU would like to discuss then cut and paste the parts that YOU want to discuss or else just write it yourself , OK?
Posted by JZ - spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72) on November 11, 2000 at 20:42:23:
In Reply to: Re: Ooh, bad move JZ posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 20:34:57:
You hate me. Holy shit. You hate me. If you want me to leave, tell me and I will not come here again. Sorry I pissed you off. I think that point was valid, but you read into it too much, so for that I don't apologize. I try to be very sensitive to you and your thoughts, why do you have to bash me for making mistakes? I feel like shit now. Happy Ana?
Posted by serendipity - ts030d38.sjc-ca.concentric.net (206.173.232.242) on November 11, 2000 at 21:05:07:
In Reply to: Re: Ooh, bad move JZ posted by JZ on November 11, 2000 at 20:42:23:
Why don't you take responsibility for your own comments please? To ask: Happy Ana? because *she* made *you* feel like shit is just really too much. Someone a while back said you act in a passive-aggressive manner, and I agree. You put out articles for people to respond to, then when they respond honestly and from the heart, you fall back on the "it's just an article" response, then do the hurt puppydog thing if someone calls you on any of your comments or quotes.
Posted by JZ - spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72) on November 11,
2000 at 21:41:45:
In Reply to: Re: Ooh, bad move JZ posted by serendipity on November 11, 2000 at 21:05:07:
I have no problem with people calling me on my comments or quotes. I do have a problem with people being insensitive in the way they react to them. I take it personally and feel personally attacked. Why is that so difficult to understand? And don't try to belittle my feelings by calling it "the hurt puppydog routine." I guess I'll just act like a hard-ass instead of showing my true emotions when people say mean things.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 21:59:46:
In Reply to: Re: Serendipity posted by JZ on November 11, 2000 at 21:41:45:
u are COMPLETELY not understanding what u are doing here. why are u taking things personally when everything you've posted here is a cut and paste from somewhere else? 1/2 of it u don't agree on anyway?
there is a way to show your true emotions without doing it in a passive aggressive manner.
#1, u need
to start learning to effectively communicate before u can move farther down
this road. there are a lot of books on this subject. i think it would do u
well for the rest of your life to read a few if u want to be at the forefront
of a mens' movement and get your point across without saying things like "
you hate me now. should i leave? i should leave shouldn't i? "
which are not the qualities of an effective communicator.
can u see a person saying that in a board meeting?
" you hate me now because of my poorly drawn charts and graphs don't
you? i should just fire myself shouldn't i? do u want me to fire myself?"
i mean, can
u SEE how that is coming across?
and if you're answer to that is no, then yes, i'd like you to fire yourself...because
i don't have time to communicate with people who only want to hear the things
they WANT to hear said back to them.
go over to a men's movement bbs then. i'm sure you'll get the results u want over there.
Posted by mable - 63-224-229-17.customers.uswest.net (63.224.229.17) on November
11, 2000 at 22:05:16:
In Reply to: Re: Serendipity posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 21:59:46:
It's so true. You speak truth so well....:)
It makes Me even to want to improve my comunication skills! Not to mention my graphic abilities! :)
I was sad, but this post made me smile....
Posted by serendipity - ts030d38.sjc-ca.concentric.net (206.173.232.242) on
November 11, 2000 at 22:06:58:
In Reply to: LOL! Ana, I love ya! posted by mable on November 11, 2000 at 22:05:16:
I agree with you! I just love the way Ana expresses herself. I think I've told her that about a hundred times already, please pardon the redundancy. :)
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 22:14:31:
In Reply to: Re: LOL! Ana, I love ya! posted by serendipity on November 11, 2000 at 22:06:58:
thank u :)
altho, even i, yes thee great almighty faerie queen ( although it maybe hard
to believe since i am just so PERFECT *must be the cocktail of dangerous medication
that my doctor prescribed me that makes me so brilliant *hiccup* ) could communicate
more effectively. so hard to when there are so many languages!
but i get better as i study other people's writing methods that i think are
better than i am ( like Terri or Stacy or Fetik3 )
and then there's the whole talking in person method which is more difficult as it is more easy!
i find communication SO interesting! (duh :)
and SO infinite a subject! it sure is hard most often to do it effectively!
Posted by serendipity - ts030d38.sjc-ca.concentric.net (206.173.232.242) on November 11, 2000 at 22:43:09:
In Reply to: Re: LOL! Ana, I love ya! posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 22:14:31:
I'm just glad you're here communicating with us again. It's no fun at all when you're sick.
Posted by serendipity - ts030d38.sjc-ca.concentric.net (206.173.232.242) on November 11, 2000 at 22:52:02:
In Reply to: Re: LOL! Ana, I love ya! posted by serendipity on November 11, 2000 at 22:43:09:
...I'm really just kissing Ana's ass, like we all do here. ;)
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 22:56:21:
In Reply to: Well, actually... posted by serendipity on November 11, 2000 at 22:52:02:
*kissing u back*
(this is getting kinda hard on my back do we have to do this sitting in separate chairs? wouldn't the bed be better?)
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part of this thread but back a little:
to justin:
Posted by serendipity - ts030d38.sjc-ca.concentric.net (206.173.232.242) on November 11, 2000 at 21:56:37:
In Reply to: Re: Serendipity posted by JZ on November 11, 2000 at 21:41:45:
I wasn't trying to belittle your feelings. It seems to me that if you repeatedly have such problems with people, you might look within rather than blaming everyone else. This is the first I've responded to your posts and you make it sound like I have a vendetta against you. I don't. My suggestion is to take care of yourself but avoid creating monsters out of everyone else.
Posted by JZ - spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72) on November 11, 2000 at 21:10:54:
In Reply to: Re: Ooh, bad move JZ posted by serendipity on November 11, 2000 at 21:05:07:
Sorry my feelings get hurt so easily. I just won't share that with you anymore. Now I've heard enough about how I'm a fucking idiot, so please stop pissing on me for being a baby.
Posted by serendipity - ts030d38.sjc-ca.concentric.net (206.173.232.242) on November 11, 2000 at 21:23:24:
In Reply to: Re: Ooh, bad move JZ posted by JZ on November 11, 2000 at 21:10:54:
My feelings get hurt easily too. But if I post something that's sure to bring up strong opinions, I should be able to handle those strong opinions. If I can't handle it, I should (1) avoid generating the strong opinions in the first place, (2) avoid blaming others for my inevitable hurt feelings or (3) try to avoid letting my feelings be hurt. What good does it do to keep going through the same self-destructive patterns repeatedly?
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 21:15:53:
In Reply to: Re: Ooh, bad move JZ posted by JZ on November 11, 2000 at 21:10:54:
WHERE did
serendipity call u a fucking idiot?
that person didn't. that person said that you u showed some passive aggressive
manners
and
if u can stand the reaction that u are getting from your posts then YES PLEASE
STOP POSTING THEM!
however when u ask us what we think, be prepared!
Posted by JZ - spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72) on November 11,
2000 at 21:25:23:
In Reply to: Re: Ooh, bad move JZ posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 21:15:53:
Serendipity didn't call me that. And Ana, do you honestly want me to leave this forum? I really want to know, from you. I will not take offense to your answer if it is yes. This is your domain, and if I am not welcome, I will certainly leave. I get the feeling that you have no respect for me, and I bet deep down, you hate me because of my ideas. So just tell me, in or out?
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 21:47:32:
In Reply to: Should I go? posted by JZ on November 11, 2000 at 21:25:23:
if serendipity didn't say that..then why ae u posting to her post saying that people are calling u a fucking idiot?
could u be CLEAR for ONCE?
if i had no respect for u would i tell u that i empathize with u getting kicked in the testicles?
if i had no respect for u, u would be off this bbs in no time flat.
how can i hate u for your ideas when u keep posting everyone else's ideas and not your own?
so tell me, do u WANT me to kick you out?
i don't hate u. but i do think u are extremely annoying and passive aggressive with poor skills in communication
i think some of your ideas are very interesting things to discuss or else WHY would i be discussing them?
believe me, if i hate someone , that someone won't even have the TIME to ask me if i hate them!
but my annoyance at u is growing quite large now. especially since i told u that i HEAR your ideas and i UNDERSTAND your pain...yet u do not want to SEE that ( it would seem ) as u don't acknowledge that fact and are now telling me that u think i hate u.
do u WANT me to hate u?
it would seem to me that u WANT me to hate u or kick u out because then it would be easier to see me as the sure enemy. what do u think of that?
Posted by Justin Zellers - spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72) on November 11, 2000 at 21:56:02:
In Reply to: Re: Should I go? posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 21:47:32:
I don't want you to kick me out. I don't want you to hate me. I'm sorry you find me so annoying. I am learning. But I do not think my communication skills are poor. Maybe my initial posts make it seem that way since they are usually just articles on topics, but that is something that I will change. I do not see you as the enemy, I actually thought of you as a friend until tonight. So no, I don't want you to hate me and I don't want you to kick me out. I do have one request though, let me know when I annoy you in the future so that I may address it and not be surprised to find out I annoyed you since that has always been my LAST intention.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 22:05:59:
In Reply to: Re: Should I go? posted by Justin Zellers on November 11, 2000 at 21:56:02:
u can't tell
when i'm annoyed at u???
are u serious???
( i'm annoyed right now, btw )
your communication skills ARE poor. u will really need to acknowledge that fact if u are to get father in life. and no, i will not say that is my opinion. that is a fact. just as it is an obvious fact to see someone not great at math.
really. i do NOT say that to be mean, it really truly will be your downfall...as it is already your downfall here.
if u really want me to not be annoyed at you...then i suggest you get down and kiss my ass, like all the rest of the people on this bbs do (JOKING!)
Posted by JZ - spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72) on November 11, 2000 at 22:10:46:
In Reply to: Re: Should I go? posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 22:05:59:
That is very true, not the part about my communication skills, but the part about how everybody kisses your ass. (annoyed back, btw)
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 22:22:18:
In Reply to: Re: Should I go? posted by JZ on November 11, 2000 at 22:10:46:
ok, you can
leave now. i won't take u offending the entire bbs like they are mindless
sheep.
everyone here thinks for themselves, which is part of which makes this bbs
so damn cool!
(everybody? even haikucoo that u just called nice? ) one of the first lessons
of communication is not to speak in overgeneralizations ( without at LEAST
saying "i know i'm making a huge overgeneralization here...")
so vamoose! be gone! goodbye! and don't bother to post to this post. no one wants to hear what u have to say anyway since everyone here is kissing my ass because of my incredible mind control powers ( due to the fact of me taking that dangerous cocktail of medications, u remember the one? )
Posted by JUSTIN ZELLERS - spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72) on November 11, 2000 at 22:28:59:
In Reply to: Re: Should I go? posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 22:22:18:
As I said, it was a sarcastic comment in reply to what you said. Geesh! I was only kidding, just as you were. I knew I shouldn't have posted something I feel so strongly about... I apologize to all of you for everything. Goodbye all.
- Justin R.
Zellers
(Peace)
Posted by freekee - 2Cust63.tnt17.chi5.da.uu.net (63.22.176.191) on November 11, 2000 at 22:36:29:
In Reply to: Re: Should I go? posted by JUSTIN ZELLERS on November 11, 2000 at 22:28:59:
And good luck.
Thanks for coming around. You brought some interesting ideas to the party.
P.S. Ana had the sense to clarify that she was joking. Keep working on those communication skills.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 22:37:36:
In Reply to: Re: Where the HELL did that come from? posted by JZ on November 11, 2000 at 22:21:31:
another rule of communicating more effectively, especially on bbs and chat, since we cannot hear the tone of your voice nor facial expressions is to use the word at the end of sentences which u meant in a sarcastic way, but mostly likely will not be taken that way if u do not put the word at the end of them.
sometimes
sentences are CLEARLY sarcastic and sometimes they are not...which is another
thing about communication that good to know.
when i doubt, put the word at the end.
can't tell
when there'll be a doubt?
then put the word at the end of it.
how can people tell when i am being sarcastic but cannot tell when u are?
1stly u never joke, nor have u even shown a sense of humour...not that i can tell anyway
and secondly
most people on this bbs know what i would and wouldn't say because they know
me as much as u can know a person from a bbs.
the observe.
another great tool of effectively communicating is to observe all the ways that people are communicating around u as to get a "feel of the room" or the "vibe of the bbs"
i can be sarcastic about the asskissing thing (as well as many other people on here ) because we know each other and we know that the whole ass kissing thing is something that gets said SO often by SO many bitter people who do not share their view..that it's funny
however, we do not know u very well, and even if u DID mean that sarcastically...it wasn't well done sarcasm...as sarcasm is a very subtle communication just as all good humour is
u really need to chill out and take it easy yourself!
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same thread just back a little again to justin:
In Reply to: Re: Ooh, bad move JZ posted by JZ on November 11, 2000 at 20:42:23:
that isn't going to work either.
i'm just showing u how u are coming off to me, and how u could debate more effectively.
u can't tell me that i was supposed to read your mind and know which things u are posting u agree on and which u do not.
u HAVE 2 be VERY clear. especially in dealing with the typed word. don't try the crybaby tactic on me. learn to debate more effectively by being clear on your issues
u think *i* don't feel like shit having read many of your posts? having my pain invalidated because of yours? just as i am sure u are feeling that way too? like my pain is just OVER now because there was a woman's lib movement in the 70's when i was ten..but the same shit is still happening and i am not supposed to have any pain and now i am to "prepare" for the "men's movement" like i am a big bad man mater?
i KNOW what
it is like to have pain and then have hundreds of people daily saying that
i am a whiny crazy bitch.
i KNOW what it feels like to have my pain invalidated on an hourly basis.
i can UNDERSTAND that u are just trying to show that men and women should
be equal. that's what feminism is all about. i HEAR u, i HEAR u
i would hope that because of the pain u have endured this might make u EMPATHIZE what women have been going through for thousands of years! we (most us,anyway)are NOT your enemy!
i mean just
look at rock as one example of how fuct it is. women are never doing rock
we are just "women in rock"
when courtney love acts like mick jagger she is a whore.
and then we had the lovely "year of women in rock"
oh THANKS, we get a whole YEAR? how nice. :|
and that is on the GOOD end of what we experience.
why not try
to empathize with us and UNITING us than telling women to get prepared because
the men's movement is coming *shudder shudder*
oh , like we don't deal with a men's movement every day?
it fucking sucks to be invalidated. as u should know from your experience.
if u would use your pain to empathize and reach out to others in pain rather than to be on the defensive like women are your enemy...you would find a HUGE support system for u, many open arms waiting for u
Posted by haikucoo - we-24-130-25-57.we.mediaone.net (24.130.25.57) on November 11, 2000 at 20:09:12:
In Reply to: Ana... posted by Justin Zellers on November 11, 2000 at 19:47:20:
justin, i am sorry that you have had to deal with the physical and emotional pain thoughtlessly and cruelly inflicted on you by another.
It is completely
unacceptable for anyone to kick a guy in the testicles as a joke or simply
to hurt them. But please understand a woman kicking a man in the crotch is
not necessarity the same as rape. When a woman is attacked by a man, one of
the most effective defensive measures she can take is to knee him in the balls.
the key word here is DEFENSIVE. Rape, on the other hand, is an act of violence
that is never defensive. It is an offensive assault. There IS a difference
between the two.
(meanwhile - i'm completely baffled as to what the ovaries are supposed to
have to do with rape. rape is a act of violence that has nothing to do with
reproduction. the act of rape would be the same act of violence even if the
woman had not ovaries (or uterus, for that matter). men are victims of rape
as well, and that obviously has nothing to do with reproduction.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 20:43:35:
In Reply to: Re: Ana... posted by haikucoo on November 11, 2000 at 20:09:12:
ya, and i wish i had thought of that as i was typing...an act of rape is never an act of defense. it is an act of hatred. no guy ever said "oh my , i am afraid of getting kicked in the balls by this woman! i better rape her to stop it!"
a man would
more likley punch her or shoot her
so rape and getting kicked in the balls are not comparable.
not to take away from the fact that i am sorry that u were scarred for life from getting kicked in the balls. that is just awful
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Posted by Chris - 216-164-194-66.s574.tnt2.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com (216.164.194.66)
on November 11, 2000 at 22:59:02:
I go away for a day, and all hell breaks loose!
On the issue
of communication: With all due respect, most of the people here don't do it
very
well. Communication is both a science and an art, and takes a looooong time
to master. Even
I after all am barely through my apprenticeship... :)
On the issue
of thin skins: Once again, most of the people here have thinner skins than
*I* do,
at least. But then again, I'm hardly a good baseline, having been called a
cold heartless bastard
by my own otherSister. (otherSisters and otherBrothers are the classifications
given to those
members of my family not related by blood.) We still get along great and love
each other dearly.
But to an extent, at least, she's correct. I don't get upset too much. Not
then and not now, though
in the period between I was a little strange. But my true point is this: The
Men's Rights
movement doesn't invalidate the Feminist movement. The two could co-exist
quite easily if
people would just pull their collective heads out of their collective asses
and think for a change.
On the issue
of Rape vs Testicle smashing: Both are rather ugly things. Being kicked in
the balls,
at least for some men, can be as emotionally traumatizing as rape, and most
men are physically
badly traumatized. It's not too unlikely to be rendered impotent or possibly
even killed if
sufficient force is applied. However. As a general rule, Rape is more traumatizing
than getting
kicked in the testicles. I was kicked in the balls once, by my own dear sister,
over an imagined
offense. And DAMN did that hurt. I did not, however, find it to be emotionally
traumatizing in
the least.
Right now
I'm a little strung out, so this is all I'm writing for the moment. With any
luck, I'll have
the opportunity to expound more later.
Posted by Chris - 216-164-194-66.s574.tnt2.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com (216.164.194.66)
on November 11, 2000 at 23:10:05:
In Reply to: Re: Holy Hell! posted by freekee on November 11, 2000 at 23:04:06:
Yeesh. Well, I was away all day (basically), so it stands.
People are sooo emotional.... ;)
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 23:11:37:
In Reply to: Re: Holy Hell! posted by Chris on November 11, 2000 at 23:10:05:
yep :)
and i see that as a good thing.
it's lack of effective communication that i see as getting in the way. mostly
Posted by Chris - 216-164-194-66.s574.tnt2.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com (216.164.194.66) on November 11, 2000 at 23:20:17:
In Reply to: Re: Holy Hell! posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 23:11:37:
Problematically,
too much emotion can interfere with communication. And it is rather difficult
to
unsay something. What's the phrase, I control my emotions, they do not control
me? Something
along those lines at least.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 23:28:27:
In Reply to: Re: Holy Hell! posted by Chris on November 11, 2000 at 23:20:17:
i don't see that if u have strong emotions that means u most likely will not communicate effectively. one cannot maybe control what emotion u may feel nor the intensity of them ( but some could argue otherwise), but u CAN control what u say and what u do because of them.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 23:48:29:
this was posted under the bed, and i just had to share :)
"hi. i know you will all hate seeing more of this political stuff, but i just found something that is maddeningly funny... the bush people are trying to say a human (manual) recount in florida is inaccurate and subjective and shouldn't be used. but look on this page:
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/laws/recounts.shtml
and search for the word "manual".
you'll find that bush signed a law in texas that says:
'If more than one petition for recount is filed and more than one method of counting is requested, a manual recount takes precedence over an electronic recount.'
what an incredible blunder on the part of the republicans! bush signs a law in his own state that demands the very thing he claims is unfair in his governing brother's state! bleh to him.
anyway, i don't want to cause some big thing in here, so i'm not posting any more than this. promise."
Posted by ANA on November 12, 2000 at 01:33:08:
In Reply to: there is a difference posted by goofygrape on November 12, 2000 at 01:12:48:
also, i did hear on CNN that having a ballot where all the punch things or whatever are not all on the right hand side in the state of florida. but then i didn't hear anything more about that. i wonder if that is true?
also it's not brought up nearly enough that the problem with the punch cards were that they did not fit into the machine correctly
gore wanted all of florida counted by machine AND by hand?
i thought some counties were doing it by hand and some by machine?
Posted by ANA on November 12, 2000 at 16:57:52:
In Reply to: A sad state of affairs... posted by DngrMaus on November 12, 2000 at 16:38:37:
well, there isn't much happening with the cam for quite awhile, and everything is happening here lately....so are th ebb and flow of the cosmos, maaaaaan :)
i'll get back 2 the cam, tho...i always do :)
Posted by ANA on November 12, 2000 at 22:38:15:
In Reply to: me too! posted by mable on November 12, 2000 at 21:26:24:
yep :) this
is a lifetime project. maybe my cam will be boring for years and then one
decade POW!
or maybe even tomorrow! who knows?
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 17:09:12:
each day i
say to myself that i will get an anagram up...but i am so EXHAUSTED it's really
awful. all i can do so far is lay in bed and sleep. so i just gotta do what
my body tells me to do, and hopefully i'll get back to normal SOON!
now i have to get ready to go out to eat because it's jason's mom's birthday
and i am falling over tired and not really hungry :/
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 21:29:15:
In Reply to:
Re: atkins diet and teeth whitening products posted by nicholas on November
11, 2000 at 19:26:21:
if u are a movie star u don't HAVE to use rogaine nor whiten your teeth.
plus, in this day and age..it's easy to say u should just be comfortable with your body...and yet a whole other ballgame to actually get their mentally that u can actually say it and feel it.
plus, i don't know what tari's situation is...so i wouldn't assume she is just asking that question so she can be skinnier than skinny to a point where it's not healthy.
and actually the atkin's diet has been around for about 30 years now, and it definitely works for a lot of people. it's not a diet per say..it's a lifestyle. as are sugar buster's, carbohydrate addicts , and the zone
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 17:07:11:
In Reply to:
atkins diet posted by kaela on November 11, 2000 at 14:11:17:
ya, the atkins diet works alright! but it is, for me, impossible to stay on
because u can have so little carbs.
the sugar busters diet is FAR more attainable..and i think there's one that's
even better than that, but i forgot the name.
the teeth
whitening thing from the dentist i have. andf it works really well but get
that toothpaste for sensitive teeth! i couldn't do it everyday for however
long u were supposed to do it...i could do it about once every three days..then
i just got sick of having my teeth hurt and now i've slacked off.
i wear it when i go to sleep so i don't have to be awake while there is a
strange thing in my mouth. i hope someday i can afford to have the dentist
do it in the office in two days...but they told me the results are better
if u do the kind that u take home.
i need to get more disciplined and start doing that again...'cause drinking
coffee and coke i think has yellowed my teeth again...but they are not as
yellow as they were! so i am very happy :)
maybe i should get some of that rembrandt toothepaste, as well.
Posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 17:31:37:
In Reply to:
atkins diet and teeth whitening posted by ANA on November 11, 2000 at 17:07:11:
oh ya, "carbohydrated addicts" and "the zone"
those rae the others.
soem say "the zone" is most reasonable ...but i don't know anything
about it
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Monday, November 6th, 2000
Time Event
12:57a this is VERY interesting!
http://www.insanefilms.com/opm
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4:21p it's still raining since yesterday. and very cold..very dark
i am trying in vein 2 wake up and get going...but i just cannot move...this
kind of weather puts me into a deep hibernation
please sun, come back!
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4:37p fasting
i am interested in going on a short, logical, reasonable healthy fast. like
for two days.
does anyone have any advice on this subject?
Tuesday, November 7th, 2000
Time Event
1:23a new chatroom
i am going to move my chatroom off of warped and onto somewhere else . i will
keep u updated on where my new chatroom will be. if anyone has any suggestions
of where i should go, and also how to make a bot, please let me know!
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5:29p ok, i'm giving my chatroom on warped another go because of the efforts
to make the place nice again by oleg
Wednesday, November 8th, 2000
Time Event
1:48p gore gore gore!
i fell asleep before the president was elected...altho i tried to stay awake.
then jason woke up me up sometime and told me that bush won :(
then i wake up today 2 see it's still undecided!
aaaaaaa! i will be glued to the tv all day nad night until this is finished!
please god let it be gore who wins!
everyone use your brain power to visulize gore winning! let's click over to
the reality that gore is the winner!
waa!!!! *visualizing visualizing*
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3:34p come into my chatroom at irc.warped.net #analove
to discuss the current political situation! :)
Friday, November 10th, 2000
Time Event
11:54a i am feeling a lot better than yesterday ( i had the stomache flu.
yuck. )i am still feling weak and kind of dizzy. i ate a yogurt and i'm drinking
some ginger ale
Sunday, November 12th, 2000
Time Event
1:46p okokok, i'm slowly but surely crawling my way back to life!